Devil's Advocate

A good friend from high school commented on the post ''Negativity:''

Sorry Mike, I must play devils advocate here, but in it may gain you perspective.

Violence is bad, hate is bad, chaos is bad, lies are bad, mmmk. I'll get that outta the way.

But there has never been reform without violence (sad but true). Which means, no one in power (read power as corrupt, as we all know absolute power corrupts) is willing to sacrifice that without violence (violence here, is read as "revolutions and retaliations" against said power). From chaos, comes order, and from order, comes chaos.

Hate is a negative emotion. True. I personally hate, hate :P. But without such emotion aren't we all idle when people without much culture and love hit the scene? When our brothers and sisters are killed, we could never keep the streets clean without a inkling of such emotion. Ever want to run up to Charles Manson and give him a big hug, and tell him everything will be ok? Naw, he deserved to rot in jail because he didn't just hate, he spread it. So my point here is, fire sometimes, sadly, must fight fire. Hate and love can go hand in hand. I, for instance, am filled with hate with politics lately, due to its corrupt nature, and that springs from my love for the American people. I love the fuck outta them. So I hate seeing the repetitive bad choices that are made for us by these people "representing us".

Chaos and disorder. Ahhh, here is an interesting one. How is this defined? Its a very difficult one to truly define. If the universe was built on a big bang, a nuclear explosion of sorts (pure chaos, random subdividing) has it not created order? We see planets revolving around stars and amazing beauty that has defined for us, the laws of physics. Don't get me wrong, I believe in God, this is just an example. Another example is, if we create enough law, do we not therefore create chaos from it all? We are granted freedom of speech by our bill of rights, yet if we speak our mind in public its illegal. If we speak our mind in court its contempt. If we speak our minds about somebody in a way they don't like, its libel. If we speak in protest, its illegal. If we speak about not liking a president, treason. Sounds pretty chaotic to me, almost like a law that isn't enforced (freedom of speech) is creating chaos by being layered over by a bunch of laws that are enforced. Create enough laws, and you have created chaos.

Lies are in the same grouping. But its on the same page as the others, if you lie to save a life, its not bad. We all know this much. Its in deceptive evil that lies are truthfully bad. To deceive someone in order to do something else evil, which is normally where the problem with lies is. Truth sometimes is sometimes falsely confused with fact in some peoples heads. Fact, is fact, it is infallible, no way to argue it. But truth, realize, most of the time is not infallible. It deals more closely to peoples perspective then fact does. Fact cannot be argued, but sometimes we find that peoples "truths" can be. Which does create more problems, but it remains keyed to observational ability and perspective regardless what we do.

:)

Figured I'd throw that out there... Not arguing with your points, they're very valid. I just believe in exceptions to every rule. Or, chaos, if you will. :)

Kudos, and hope your doing well out there Mike.
Take care bro




This is not an argument, but it is a peaceful debate.



Here's what I said:


Being devoid of hate doesn't mean always being a ''nice guy.'' Hate towards another person destroys its host. It's okay to hate our enemies, as long as a clear idea of our enemies is maintained: our enemies are hate, ignorance, fear, arrogance, poisonous ideas/beliefs. Flesh and blood are not our enemies. Love does not mean withholding punishment, and love does not mandate that evil should be tolerated. Sometimes violence is necessary to apprehend those who spread evil.


Perhaps humans can create laws, but that does not mean that they are creating order rather than disorder with those laws. It's easy to tell which one came first: order or chaos. Shuffle a deck of cards. If they come out in bridge order, then time is moving backwards and chaos creates order. Indeed, as time progresses, order ''loses'' to chaos. Chaos is the absence of order, not the other way around.



Not all lies are in the same grouping. If a lie can stop a murder from occurring, then that lie must've been a little closer to ''virtuous'' than other lies, based on the intentions of the liar and the consequences of that lie. The person who told the lie had greater things in mind than simply preserving truth at any cost; a valiant undertaking, but there are, at times, more important things. Our version of truth is not all encompassing of everything that truth is, so, to sacrifice the other virtues so that our own distorted version of truth might be kept unbroken, will not create ''good.''


This also means that the virtues, as we know them, can't be trusted as 100% pure. But it still stands that they're much better than their respective ''voids.''